Could it be a subtle form of disparaging her missing son? Mike Damman,How do you kmow she is tellimg the truth about how long hes been missing! The use of the words die and dead are very concerning-I had wondered about leakage too. This story has been all over the news and no story is presented the same way, yet they all have little bits that can be pieced together. You mentioned the actual act of hanging, which I hadnt considered. Also, why does she use present tense here? The last time I saw William he didn't really call me anything. Also it was kept quiet by police etc that William and his sister were in foster care. By not answering, she shows sensitivity to that question as well. : ever) some weird way of saying Karlie is never, ever coming back? However, I think the stepmother knows what happened to Karlie. william tyrrell disappeared from Kendall NSW Friday 12th September 2014.William and his sister were in the care of foster parents, whose identities are legal. William's biological parents, who cannot be named, sat quietly in the front of the court while his foster-grandmother wiped away tears as the last photo of him - dressed in the Spider-Man suit - was shown on the screen. That area is the middle of a massive forensic police search. A pause indicates a need to think of what to say. Dressing him as a girl? 'The visit before he called me his "birth mum".'. : she didnt hold him because she took a photo, he jumped off, fell on this head and died). If the cell phone was with Karlie then it could possibly be tracked by law enforcement. A surprise for both the children and Nanna. I mean, I was awake and then Id doze off and she's [just] there, she was just [hanging] outMelissa dint just spend the night with her daughter but the [whole] night. The question is why did the foster mother come up with two cars instead of one? It's a kind of intelligence. I do think she is crazy (BPD?) This indicates missing information. Instead he tells us it was about 10:15 which tells us everything we need to know. "We want to thank the coroner; we think she cares.". Autumn. She may be deceptively withholding Karlies location and what happened at the house. I dont want to [put anything out there], but there are no cameras in the backyard and they couldve left the house that way. Narrative building.- I dont know what to do to consider her a missing person. When Melissa made this statement, law enforcement was actively searching the area. Also: why does she add physical? Did the foster father drive backwards down the driveway because he had a conference call (this call was the reason they left a day earlier)? September 13 - Police reveal they found a burned out car wreck belonging to a former person of interest. February - DCIJubelin is removed from the investigation amid a misconduct probe. Are you watching the video? As Mark McClish said it can be used to suggest thats all I did when making a statement. 'Up until the beginning of the year William called me Mum. I know being somewhere out there is a normal expression in English but I wanted to mention this for completeness sake.Autumn, OT: Karlie GuseUm, you cant do an Amber Alert because she didnt leave in a car and I dont have a physical description of a vehicle.If Karlie didnt leave in a car, why did the stepmother have to add that she didnt have a physical description of a vehicle (is that standard Amber Alert language?). Was the mother envious of Williams attachment to Little Tara?Did she throw Little Tara in the roadAt night to torment WilliamAnd he ran into the road to retrieve Little TaraAnd he got hit by a car?Follow the mothers envy & you willSolve the case. other daughter may have been to avoid saying what was on her mind, that they were not her own children, thus other foster child came out as other daughter. One simple question with a short answer appears to speak volumes.Police: So you raised the alarm immediately?Mother: Well I raced around for a bit, then went down and got the neighbour to help, then D came back, because he had a meeting.The mother tells us she [raced round] for a [bit]. television rather than watching the child, and the child is abducted, the mother may show signals of guilt that is not due to the abduction. She gives the reason for her statement and we see it is [because] obviously the trolls are roaming. She must have walked out of somewhere and that must be the house which means she is deceptive on multiple counts.She tries to convince about the distance to the child by using the word seriously and couples that with minimising language with the word just and then gives conflicting information about her location. The question of the time he went missing is very sensitive to her. This, this is heading down the path of abduction or something more sin, sinister. The image has a 'created time' of 7.39am and a 'corrected time' of 9.37am, a new document from the 2000-page evidence brief. It is the same as saying I kid you not. : William hit his head, died and they made his body disappear? Only in this case, obviously the cell signal was fine judging from the mother making the emergency phone call! Yeah, and did he get rid of his car soon after the incident? He would have kept going back to the parents saying just one more thing till he got them where he wanted them.The human mind can be your best friend or worst enemy it all depends on the situation. The foster parents collected William from day care, left their cats at a boarding kennel and drove up to Kendall a day earlier than planned to start a family weekend, A previous search for William, (above in 2018) failed to find any trace of the toddler or the Spider-Man suit he was wearing when last seen alive. Thanks General! Interestingly Melissa mentions a town to the south of Chalfant in the shorter video, see the following quote:And, um, we are going to potentially have the helicopter do the search over a very large area so far, all the way around us, all the way down to, like, Laws. And then, the three confirmed people. I would expect them to feel utterly sorry for (and guilty towards) the biological parents since they must realize that the biological parents are completely heartbroken too. William's foster mother had been supervising the pair, but when she went inside to make a cup of tea, William disappeared. If we look at the 911 call we see the time of Williams disappearance given at approximately 10:30.Operator: OK. They are not from a Police interview or news report, she has given us them freely, but why? Thats odd. Sunrise on Oct 13th was at 0700. She obviously doesnt as she approximates. The foster mother begins her emergency call with a greeting Yeah hi. This level of politeness is unexpected in an emergency call which is often described as a form of excited utterance.. My immediate thought was somebody has taken him, he is gone. In her frantic searching around the houses, in the bush and in the drains, she thought she heard a scream: it was similar to the sound of when a child hurts themselves quick, high-pitched and sharp. But there was nothing: maybe it was a bird did I imagine it. Maybe in her mind, William was her daughter. The girl toys may have been his sister's. One is a person who saying a lot but telling us nothing and the other is someone who has a need to tell us something but only when they have a need to convince. That`s a good observation you made regarding the photo and the mother referencing minutes till their world had changed. Inquest hearsBill Spedding, a NSW mid-north coast repairman and one-time person of interest in the disappearance of William Tyrrell,met his wife for coffee about 9.30am in Laurieton, a 15-minute drive from Kendall, on the day William went missing. In a statement released on Thursday, NSW police said the woman was charged with knowingly giving false or misleading evidence. Maybe he mentioned White Mountains because its the opposite of her real location? When asked if she knows where he may have gone, she starts to report (again in halting, broken sentences) where they live instead. She was awake. The foster mother gives away that William is deceased.She says He WOULD be about two and a half feet tall.He WOULD be two and a half feet tall IF he was still alive, in one piece & standing.The whole there is a state park nearbyTHIS IS A DEORR KUNTZ COPYCAT case.I get the impression Williams body has been thrown down a well shaft.They heard him. ("Mum and I were sitting on two chairs and then he jumped off.") Six essential household appliances now cost 450 a year to run as prices surge by 58% since the #NoMowMay pits neighbours against each other: Britons are accused of eco-shaming with new green fad that Saboteurs derail Russian freight train with explosives 37 miles from Ukraine and destroy power cables in Pictured: 'Much-loved son', 35, stabbed to death in knife rampage outside Cornwall nightclub which left Leeds players APOLOGISE to their fans and admit 'there's no excuse' for the way they ignored kids waiting to 'I've been stuck in A&E since 10.30pm last night please just pay NHS staff fairly': Tearful A&E patient Martin Lewis reveals how to get a cheaper supermarket shop and FREE food. Detectives from Strike Force Rosann received information relating to the suspected assault of a child, who is not William, at a home in Sydney's Upper North Shore. "FACS NEED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE! Autumn pointed out the statement because I dont know what to do to consider her a missing person. Was he ever even there? The birth mother said in her police statement that sheworried about William being 'a bit too skinny'. I mean lets say we believe their story. We have to take peoples words literally. I know there are sightings by three witnesses. She wanted to color. and do the best thing by him that we could possibly do.'. "The Dad is trying to impress upon the listenerhe's vanished into thin airhis clothes are so bright we would have seen him. Where is William: 60 Minutes_Part 1 of 3_September 6, 2015 If you watch this video and skip to the 11m 44s point you will see the parents talk of the car.The father talks about the children always looking out for him and running to the gate but is interjected by his wife. My notes on just-Just just happened, just arrived etc.. - Here it is used to mean recentlyJust I just touched it and it broke - Here it is used to minimise actions, thats all I did I only touched itJust this one is just 100 It is being compared to something which costs moreJust - This is just what I mean - Exactly or preciselyJust - The weather is just glorious - Actually; really; positivelyJust - The arrow just missed the mark - By a narrow margin; barelyI think analysing how many possible deceptive uses of the word just the mother uses would be a good thing to do. The mind always looks to move blame onto others, it is a built in defence mechanism to protect itself. Whatever happened to William, I doubt there was a lot of blood -> they had sniffer dogs the same day going around Nannas house and the area -> wouldnt the dogs (and police) have noticed a large blood stain? By So much sensitivity, so much negative language, a need to convince, unique words, the list goes on and on. This sensitivity could be due to knowingly associating with suspicious persons. ^^ i don't know why that will not display my G/account? I remember.TB How TB saved meAt night it bothers meThe most.I felt sadness today I never got to know him betterOr, actually that he never got to know me betterThat's one of the things he wrote to me"I wish I'd gotten to know you moreBut the way things are looking right nowI doubt I'll ever see you again".It's so sad really.I know he cared about meHe put his life on the line for me. WAs the father disposing William's body at that time?A 3 year old who loves superheroes (spiderman etc) is not going to latch onto "Little Tara" and not be able to go anywhere without "Little Tara" (as the mother stated). I just want to be with you guys. So Melissa is being deceptive in her description. One more comment on the photo question: At one point in her answer the foster mother says:And I look at that picture and I just think, minutes, minutes, and our world has changed.When I read that comment I thought: Minutes, minutes? He gave me his phone and said search for the cars," she said. The foster mother was working from home on the day before William vanished, her husband out having meetings with clients or colleagues, when they made a snap decision to get their cats boarded for the night, grab William and head up to Kendall a day early. At first her story was that she and her mother were drinking tea on the porch and heard a last "roar" from William "and then nothing". She tells us in her own words below.But, you guys [have] to know the details and I was allowed to share them. By Candace Sutton for Daily Mail Australia, Published: 14:35 BST, 25 November 2021 | Updated: 08:27 BST, 26 November 2021. It would be interesting to know where the dogs did lead the Police because there must have been some scent to follow.The statement you posted:I know in hindsight that they werent there but whilst I was searching I didnt. No. It's a real mystery. Have those sightings been discredited? Where the hell is she? She did not get the number plates, because the cars were not significant to her at that time she said tearily. Also: maybe a bit of a strange choice to address Hannity. Also: in that case other still doesnt make much sense. Add articles to your saved list and come back to them any time. confidential information about children in care if it's in the best interests of the child. Why the difference? It was a dark storm night. Karlie Guse's stepmom also talked about "the world" ("The world is cruel and the world is real [etc.]") By saying red, red, red, she consciously refers to the Spiderman outfit, but I wondered: is she reliving a bloody accident (red, red, red, etc).As for the burnt out car in the woods: if this was really the car William was abducted in -> would the kidnapper hide the car in the woods near the crime scene and leave it there for several years? This tells us she is very psychologically screwed up. All that information was given by the parents freely; they are words that their minds selected when talking about William.Adrian. Bishop PD, CHP flying overthey had their copter today. Ehm, there's no evidence that says that hes not, that he, in terms of, theres no evidence to say that hes dead, so for me the best outcome is that William is loved by somebody else, because he deserves to be loved and if he cant be with us, he has to be with someone else who cherishes him and [will], and treats him like their own child.NOTE: The foster parents are "committed Christians" -> maybe she means the best scenario is for William to be in God's hands?INTERVIEWER: And your message to those people if thats the scenario?FOSTER FATHER:Look iif thats the scenario, oh, hm, excuse me, well, or, or i..i..in any scenario, please just give William back and y..you can be the person who can help bring William home.Autumn, Link to a detailed timeline of William's disappearance:https://www.facebook.com/insightpod/posts/timeline-for-story-on-william-tyrrell-%C6%B9%CC%B5%CC%A1%D3%9D%CC%B5%CC%A8%CC%84%CA%92-the-morning-of-the-12th-%C6%B9%CC%B5%CC%A1%D3%9D%CC%B5%CC%A8%CC%84%CA%92-/1503580763000828/Apparently the police have investigated the photo of William on the patio and have confirmed that it was taken at around 9:45 AM that day (other reports say it was taken "within an hour" of William going missing). (Supplied: NSW Police) And like him, the identity of most remains protected under The Children and Young Persons (Care and Protection) Act - a piece of legislation designed in the interests of the "safety, welfare and well-being" of young people in care. She's high on marijuana why would I, I just, it didn't cross my mind. She now realises that taking her to the hospital could have saved her and it is playing on her mind.There are a number of telling body language signs in the video and also I noticed at sensitive areas in her story the speed of her speech greatly increases as she wants to get through them as quickly as possible.Adrian. We dont know who that someone else is but we can deduce it from her language. I prefer when it is concise and sticks to the basic principles of sa. She then doesnt finish what started and bluntly changes to and he was really good[Just racing], just, just wanted to get on that bike and just ride it She uses the word just to minimise Williams behaviour on his bike. If you notice she uses the pronoun I three times but changes to you for one of her statements. 6:14PM November 3, 2022. If that is the case, could you please communicate that to me in a direct and straight manner instead of (unaddressed) comments talking about "blah blah" and ""strange" people" and invoking "guidance" and "feelings about this and that" and muddies the water, etc.? You lot need your tin foil hats replacing, the craziness is leaking into your brains..If you put as much effort into really looking for William, rather than blaming the wrong people, he might have been found by now..Absolutely astonishing, armchair detectives at their worse! One-piece?Disappeared during the night?Head shaved?Mother looking down at top of his head? Melissa initially said Karlie never wore sweatpants and I believe her. It could be being deceptive due to Neglect, regarding the length of time she left William outside unsupervised; perhaps fearing she will be blamed for that. If it was Melissa instead of Karlie, I wonder what she was doing holding a paper up in the air (maybe it was a missing poster or something -> but I also read that the neighbor saw her writing something down).Autumn, John, thats right. On this final occasion, the birth mother said, William was 'more affectionate than usual' and 'happy sitting on my lap and giving me a cuddle'. If we look at that sentence we find she wont commit to the fact that she didnt leave in a car (Karlie). Maybe that is a strategy though, because the biological parents might use such signs to instigate or bolster a claim for damages. And so, I'm here to tell you guys all about it. 'But (it was ) .. just fabulous to watch'. We were just followed by the change to I was suggests self-censoring and the use of the word Just here could represent a minimisation of actions. They know that their child was unsupervised and out of sight when he went missing (if that is what happened). Thank You to CHP-love you! William Tyrrell (born 26 June 2011) is an Australian boy who disappeared at the age of three from Kendall, New South Wales, on 12 September 2014. (This goes for family and friends)Mothers of missing babies are aflame with instinct, protective capacity, and intuition. "Because of some of the media, the world is blaming us, we have had six years of pain and broken promises," Ms Swift told the court on behalf of the family. April 2, 2019 at 11:11 PM Hamish said . If she had told us that D had simply returned it would leave open the question of where did he return from? It's time for William to come Posted by W4W Walking Warriors Australia onThursday, 24 August 2017. Interesting quote from Mike Pence:He said some things that are critical of my Christian faith and about me personally. I also thought it was unusual to refer to the stepmothers sons as her brothers-especially considering they are half-siblings. The foster mother says it was not unusual (double negative) for the foster father to have an appointment because "he works remotely. And she's not disor-disoriented anymore, if she is. Instead we are being given the hard sell. A freckle covered by hair? That on returning home the Father accidentally ran over William with his car. The use of the word just suggests minimising language as its meaning could be interpreted as only or thats all. There is a documentary on YouTube called AUSTRALIAN BIGFOOT: The Vanishing of William Tyrell 2017. Amazing.The talent here shows they wont get away with it.Justice always prevails.Except for TB. Even regarding the mark on the head, the operator asked about any distinguishing features, and the foster mother gave her one. Also: there's the word "just" again. This is a general question-is there a forum where other statements from cases can be analyzed by everyone? CASEY ANTHONY: There`s a possibility. My heart is aching. Once we get Caylee, everything else will figure itself out. More Coverage And then we were playing and I was playing, ehm, mummy monsters and hes chasing me and Im doing the whole wraah thing and, you know, Im chasing him and hes giggling his head off.Voice over: That great photo of, of William and his Spiderman suit that was taken, eh, on the deck.Foster mother: Yes, it was really weird, cause he was, he was doing wraah daddy tiger and that photo I took was, ehm, he was actually looking up at me and Ive sort of crouched down in a really weird position and taken the photo and, ehm, it was mid-roar thats why his mouth was wide open. Adrian, they were sitting on some sort of porch/patio I think. If you have time, listen to that episode because they both sound intoxicated on the air and Nancy Grace is frustrated with the interview. William was just three years old when he vanished while playing with his sister on September 12, 2014. There is a lot of backstory involved in this case. You might have to click back a few times to pick it up, but you will see it. And made harder by the fact that he and his sister were foster children at the time of his disappearance. Adrian. I had a meeting and I arrived back and there was a bit of confusion if William was with me, because hes always looking out for me and my car, and I was on my way back, and Id arrived back and been asked if William was with me and I said no, then I immediately got out of the car and started looking around, and within 5 minutes we raised the alarm and I think I ran the perimeter of the whole street within about 10-15 minutes, and I mean, he wouldnt, hes not a wanderer, he wouldnt even cross the street by himself. I`m just wondering if there`s anything else you want me to tell Caylee because everybody -- you know I always get an opportunity to speak to the media. The foster mother had intended taking family photos of William placing a drawing on Opa's grave, which is in Kendall cemetery on a ridge above the Benaroon Drive house. This mother still has not called her foster son by his name, nor has she come out and asked for help in finding him. According to NSW Supreme Court documents in the case brought by children's advocate Allanna Smith against FACS, the foster parents feared they would be identified and this would bring further harassment of themselves, their family and friends. "She asked him that so he would go around the corner of the house and be visible to the abductor who was in a car.I have never felt so strongly in any case that the mother did sell him and she did a transaction whereby the pedo she sold him to "abducted" him out of the yard.She dressed him in the Spiderman costume so he would be recognizable and visible to the "abductor" (purchaser) of William. PUT HIM IN A WELL. William Tyrrell was put into foster care not long after he was born. Another from the interview was:hes [always] looking out for me and my car the father is giving us more information connecting William to his car and wants us to know that William is "always" looking out for it, although we know that is not physically possible.Father in video clip you mentioned: 34 seconds into it.if he was down at the road, you [possibly] would have seen him. Mamamia contacted the group, but they were unable to respond in time for publishing. Who is Karlie to Melissa?-Shes been missing since 6:30 am. "Some of the people behind these deeply personal attacks have sat in the gallery of this very courtroom," the foster mother said. The mind wants to solve and rationalise things which is great, but the flip side is that it will try to make sense of the garbage we are told by criminals and Politicians (interchangeable words I know). Any vehicles? She didn't want to get in the front seat so she got in the backseat behind her. If I was to tell someone I have nothing to say they should think then why the hell did you open your mouth. Why this need for explanation? I said earlier that for another daughter to be introduced into the conversation the first daughter must have/needs to have been given an introduction, but we see looking at the emergency call that is not the case. The order of recall is like you said a total mess. Also: why does she immediately say she took three photos? Just there is non-specific in regards to location and just hanging out is again non descriptive. Then she saw the curtains go "whooeshj"The slamming of the door would have wake up the kids instantly. Leigh you make some excellent observations about the case. Anonibal, Tell me how to solve the case! We don't know who's got him. The question produced a halting or repetition on the word "no", which increases the import of the question. I think the whole Lion Game thing is a fabrication and the alibi photo of William "roaring" supposedly on the deck was taken at some previous time and then used as an alibi ("see he was there at that time roaring on the deck!") "INTERVIEWER: () although we fear what may have happened to William there are other possibilities, right? FOSTER MOTHER:Yeah, yeah, the, the best scenario for us is that William is being loved and cared for by other people. She alludes to this early in her statement when she says I wasn't going to take her to the hospital. The court heard the foster mother had her father's grave photographed by a stranger and posted on social media. Thankyou. The child is not her biological child, which sets the context of the call for us, along with the child's age, level of self protection he is capable of, any illness or disabilities (special needs) and so on. The inquest closed on Thursday and Deputy State Coroner Grahame will review more than 18 months of evidence before handing down her findings mid-way through next year. In "The boy in the box case" The boy was found dead in a box in PA with a freshly and haphazardly shaved head.In the past decade a detective became convinced that the boy had been made to dress as a girl and that his long hair was shaved in an attempt to disguise his identity after he died. "Out" as in "dead"? The following quote is from Peters excellent book Wise As a Serpent; Gentle As a Dove: Dealing With Deception (p. 109) Cindy said to the press "George and I don't believe Caylees`s in the woods or anything"Adrian. William Tyrrell's foster mother told a NSW coroner of the moment she recalled seeing two cars parked on a nearby road the morning he .
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